Bro.Tiag

Aye, thank you.

__________________


Since 08 Feb 07

x86

Use a different app if that is the case, *NIX after all is about choice...........

PGTips91

x86, if you wish to contribute to the community effort 'Re: Who has a need for Linspire 4.5 or 5.0 repositories?', you are more than welcome. There are other threads where you can argue for and against the idea, but please don't do so here.

There are good reason why some have the need to maintain existing installations rather than 'moving on'. This, and its associated thread, is geared towards helping them to do just that.

__________________
Paul G. Taylor, Auckland, NZ
LinuxUser_436483 - currently using Klikit-Linux 0.1-8
Lindows Life-time Insider, former life-time member of CNR Warehouse.
Wiki : Reinstalling Linspire Applications

richard.a

Ken, unfortunately my two (or three?) aisles from which I reinstalled, populated with different products, are no longer accessible for me to check what product names I had listed. My memory is not that good as it tends to deteriorate with the ageing (sp?) process.

Previously I never saw an alphabetical list of all CNR products in 4.5 and 5.0 days. However, using your posted url of http://community.cnr.com/docs/DOC-1214 (which is an alphabetical list of suggested products "Help Prioritize Legacy CNR Applications") I notice that Evolution (mail client), Apache 1.3.xx (web server still used by many many people) and Audacity appear to be missing (Apache 2 is there), from a quick glance. So certainly there are some, and if I were to spend hours (which I do not have) going through directories to see what I have installed on various HDDs around the place, I could come up with a more accurate claim that a lot isn't there.

Does that help? What is more to the point is that where I've tried an HDD in a specific computer and not installed full aisles (merely checking functionality of CNR at the time), it is now no longer possible to add products to that specific drive, because I hadn't bothered with at the time the HDD was populated with just a few.

Like many others, my aisles were comprised of products (1) I had tried and didn't bother to use as well as (2) products that I found I liked and did use for different purposes, but not necessarily regularly. It is that second aspect that makes things difficult now.


And Bro.Tiag, thank you for your input, and your remarks to X86 are just spot on.

If they have so much spare time on their hands to bother about reading a quite long thread they find "just boring" that's cool, but why bother to tell us? It also seems that they haven't a clue about the "If it ain't broke, don't fix it" engineering principle.

Richard in Oz

__________________
Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button?

Linux User 416434 richard.a Pooh-Bah Joined:13 Sep 2003 Total posts:+1555

PGTips91

Looking at http://community.cnr.com/docs/DOC-1214 I see that a very good answer has already been given.


What I can't get my head around is that the company seems never to have had a plan to follow and is now asking us, the users, to supply both a plan and do the work.

__________________
Paul G. Taylor, Auckland, NZ
LinuxUser_436483 - currently using Klikit-Linux 0.1-8
Lindows Life-time Insider, former life-time member of CNR Warehouse.
Wiki : Reinstalling Linspire Applications

Dr.Jones

Wouldn't community priorities be more relevant to this issue???

__________________
freespire the best of all worlds

Ken@Freespire.org

Freespire Bugzilla

PGTips91

I've just found out today [http://www.cmsoft.net/debcreator/#news] about an application that even an inexperienced user can use to build .deb files. As far as I know debcreator [download link] sorts out all dependencies and then compiles the .deb file, which may then be installed using Gdebi.

Source code for most any application can be obtained and, using these tools, can be compiled and installed in most any distro, including Linspire 4.5 and 5.0. AFAIK.

__________________
Paul G. Taylor, Auckland, NZ
LinuxUser_436483 - currently using Klikit-Linux 0.1-8
Lindows Life-time Insider, former life-time member of CNR Warehouse.
Wiki : Reinstalling Linspire Applications

revhouse1

I downloaded debcreator to give it a test run. When I tried to install it I was told that I needed fakeroot and dh-make both of which are already on my system. I did an uninstall and reinstall and everything worked fine. Odd, but its installed now will find a few things to mess with and see how it works now.

tom

__________________
"It only takes a little truth to ruin a perfectly good theory..."

Community Board -- wiki liaison

PGTips91

Hi Tom,

Good to know that you are onto this. I think that compiling from source may be the best way to ensure that these older computers/systems can be kept going as long as needed/wanted. These GUI tools will put that at the service of many who have general computer skills but find getting into the CLI beyond them.


Here is another application worth knowing about, when installing from source : --

http://www.asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/

This tool allows you to compile once and install in many computers. It also allows you to uninstall something that you compiled and installed from source yourself.

Maybe when you have tried out debcreator a bit you might be able to try checkinstall and compare the two methods. Checkinstall seems, from what I have read, to have one feature that may be very useful, the ability to uninstall an application that was compiled from source and installed by the user. I think that it also monitors and will backup automatically any changes that are made during an installation - might save someone's bacon!

With such tools, not only could the 'Legacy' systems be maintained, but newer systems would be made very much more flexible as to available applications, I imagine.

Disclaimer : I am just at the very beginning of learning about this. Glad someone else is willing to experiment.

PS Discovered that checkinstall is not a GUI tool after all.

__________________
Paul G. Taylor, Auckland, NZ
LinuxUser_436483 - currently using Klikit-Linux 0.1-8
Lindows Life-time Insider, former life-time member of CNR Warehouse.
Wiki : Reinstalling Linspire Applications

PGTips91

Hi Richard,

I have just followed up your link above and went on to the ChoicePC web site that you have kept a copy of. I was pleased to see my 'name' on the list for the 'World' - No. 650. Yes, we were proud supporters in those days. Thanks for the memories!

http://micro-hard.homelinux.net/ChoicePC.com/index.htm for main page
http://micro-hard.homelinux.net/ChoicePC.com/ for sub-pages.

There were about 2,300 people who sent $US100 to help defend freedom of choice in software, back then. I doubt very much that they would have that level of support and commitment today.

__________________
Paul G. Taylor, Auckland, NZ
LinuxUser_436483 - currently using Klikit-Linux 0.1-8
Lindows Life-time Insider, former life-time member of CNR Warehouse.
Wiki : Reinstalling Linspire Applications

richard.a

Thanks for posting that, Paul.

I had forgotten about this little beauty...

My, how things have changed

Richard

__________________
Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button?

Linux User 416434 richard.a Pooh-Bah Joined:13 Sep 2003 Total posts:+1555

Dr.C

Now its, pay us your money and we will create an Os which won't work on your computer and force you to move on to another Os which works. Paid for Linspire 5 Os, paid for virus protection and purchase CNR gold memberships for my 5.147 and all went down the drain. But, as I have posted before, Linspire did not consider their customer base before making the change. Only looking for a way to make more $ while sticking it to their customers.

Bligh

I like Linspire 5.0, I still run it on three boxes. Hardware support, or lack of it may well be the limiting factor.
Cheers

__________________
Joined 1/15/2003 Lifetime Fr Lifetime Wrld 1500 posts

Bob3

I still have a hefty stack of the 5.0 licenses and the "No Nonsense" books yet;
maybe I'll try 'em out for wallpaper or something ...

__________________

thorpe

Exactly what will I get for my $US100?
A lot! First, you'll receive a lifetime license to every digital version of LindowsOS normally available for public release. This is an exclusive offer, not available anywhere else. You'll also receive a lifetime membership to the CNR Warehouse, the Lindows.com online software library that provides instant digital access to over 1,800 software applications. This membership normally costs $49.95 per year! Finally, you'll receive a "ChoicePC.com" T-shirt, recognition on the ChoicePC.com web site and a better night's sleep knowing that you've done your part to help defend choice on the PC desktop.

Actually that agreement is still honored, just you cant use the legacy warehouse but you are grandfathered into cnr.com. Linspire is honoring previous agreements. Like us users that have CNR Gold we got Linspire 6 free, it was honored as promised as long as you didn't cancel your subscription.

Ray...

bobd13045

They even made a LinDVD download available at CNR to Freespire,Ubuntu,etc users; as long as they paid
for DVDplayer when they were Linspire users.

Bob

__________________
Linux Voyager, present port Linspire 6.0.17

PGTips91

Well it seems as if the last domino has now fallen.

I think it is now every man for himself, and the Devil take the hindermost.

I wish eveyone well as I dive into the foaming waves and hope to find a life-raft out there to hold onto!

__________________________________________________ _________________________

I have posted over in the Insiders Forums, but as not everyone has access to there, I'll repeat it here.

Goodbye my friends, until we meet again!

Au revoir mes amis, jusqu'à ce que nous nous réunissions encore !

Auf Wiedersehen meine Freunde, bis wir uns wieder treffen!

Αντίο οι φίλοι μου, έως ότου συναντιόμαστε πάλι!

Arrivederci i miei amici, fino a che non ci incontriamo ancora!

私達が再度会うまで、さようなら私の友人!

¡Adiós mis amigos, hasta que nos encontremos otra vez!

再见我的朋友，直到我们再见面!

Vaarwel mijn vrienden, tot wij opnieuw samenkomen!

Just in case this forum disappears, I take this opportunity to wish all my friends here adieu.

Thanks for the memories!

Paul

__________________
Paul G. Taylor, Auckland, NZ
LinuxUser_436483 - currently using Klikit-Linux 0.1-8
Lindows Life-time Insider, former life-time member of CNR Warehouse.
Wiki : Reinstalling Linspire Applications

Bligh

Don't go anywhere just yet, Linspire & xandros have finally posted statements.
Let's see how this plays out,
Cheers

__________________
Joined 1/15/2003 Lifetime Fr Lifetime Wrld 1500 posts

revhouse1

I agree, lets wait and see how this plays out.

tom

__________________
"It only takes a little truth to ruin a perfectly good theory..."

Community Board -- wiki liaison

richard.a

I too will post my remarks from in there, out here...

My thoughts too.

It's been a very long time dying. I very much hope that the guys who last I heard were still employed will get jobs with the new owners; often nasty stuff happens behind the closed doors. Kevin mentioned some of that on his blog when he went.

Particularly I would like to single out Ken (Doc Jones) who has had a very difficult job here, keeping the ravening wolves among the insiders at bay.

Several weeks ago I had to close the undernet.org #Linspire chatroom for several technical reasons, but there had been no joins and parts for a very very long time, apart from Viper and Ken (Doc Jones) and from time to time JDoyle. I would like to thank those guys for using their bandwidth to help create an IRC meeting place on one of the largest networks.

The future?

Well, I'm reminded that when Joseph Cheek sold the name of Lycoris to Mandrake/Mandriva, it disappeared, and so did the user community, lock, stock, and barrel, after a short period of time. And he was the only employee left. Wonder what happened to him. Lycoris was a lovely distribution, but slower than Lindows. Probably better suited to Windows migrants (with its many customisations of the file manager) than all the others.

Linspire/Freespire being transferred for financial gain to Xandros, another early appearer on the scene, is unlikely to be any different, and the economic climate now is far less booming.



There is an old hymn which I heard performed on a CD featuring the Brisbane Salvation Army band some years ago, "God be with you till we meet again". Beautiful words, but seldom used except at a funeral or a mortal departure of a well loved person to distant shores. I bid you all the sentiments therein. Take care all. I mean it most sincerely.



Richard in Adelaide
(the city of churches)
Currently adapting PuppyLinux to old boxen that recent *nix won't run on
http://micro-hard.homelinux.net/PuppyLinux

__________________
Have you noticed editing is always needed for the inevitable typos that weren't there when you hit the "post" button?

Linux User 416434 richard.a Pooh-Bah Joined:13 Sep 2003 Total posts:+1555